My family and I are in the process of planning and taking a summer vacation trip out west. On our way to see Yellowstone National Park and Mt. Rushmore, we are taking a cross country, overnight, train trip. Travel bucket list item… CHECK!
(SEE ALSO: My (free) $6500 family train vacation on Amtrak)
Staying at Choice Hotels
In the Western United States, Choice Hotels is very well represented among chain hotels. Along our entire route (through the states of Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota and South Dakota), there are maybe 2 or 3 Hampton Inns (Hilton) and not a single Starwood hotel. Hyatt’s only offering is in Denver and Colorado Springs. There are a few Best Westerns, and Holiday Inn and Holiday Inn Express hotels (IHG) are fairly plentiful, but the #1 hotel portfolio by far is Choice Hotels. Everywhere we go, there are tons of Econo Lodges, Sleep Inns, Rodeway Inns, Comfort Inns, and Quality Inns. I was a little leery before my latest Rodeway Inn stay, but afterwards, I had to admit that it was not that bad!
Most of these hotels are fairly low-end “budget” hotels, but that’s okay – my kids don’t want “5-star” hotels – all they want is a swimming pool and a waffle maker! I have to say, I prefer them too – I get sick of the “luxury” hotels nickel and dime-ing you for breakfast, wifi, parking and everything else. It’s one of the 3 reasons “budget” hotels DESTROY nice ones
Getting Choice Hotels points
I have a bunch of Chase Ultimate Rewards. They’re my favorite currency out there.
(SEE ALSO: Chase Ultimate Rewards: 5 reasons I think they’re the best miles out there)
Chase Ultimate Rewards transfer 1:1 to Amtrak Guest Rewards, and I used 100,000 Chase points to transfer to Amtrak to book what would otherwise have been a $6500 Amtrak train trip. A 1-zone trip on Amtrak (from Ohio to Denver) in a family bedroom (sleeps 4) is only 25,000 points. We need 2 bedrooms, so the roundtrip cost was 100,000 points.
In addition, Amtrak transfers to Choice Hotels at 1:3, and if you have Amtrak elite statue, or have the Amtrak credit card and spend $250 on Amtrak, you can transfer 25,000 Amtrak points a year to Choice Hotels (giving you 75,000 Choice Hotel points)
(SEE ALSO: Why you want to transfer Amtrak points to Choice Hotels)
I transferred 20,000 Chase Ultimate Rewards to Amtrak, and then redeemed those 20,000 points for 60,000 Choice points. You have to transfer Amtrak to Choice points in increments of 5,000. My heart skipped a beat when I read that the transfer takes 4-6 weeks (I didn’t have that much time), but in actuality, it only took about 2 weeks to transfer. Coupled with the points from my Rodeway Inn stay and another paid stay I had for work at a Cambria Suites, it left me with 61,120 points.
Planning our Choice Hotels award reservations
My itinerary called for 4 nights at Choice Hotels
- Quality Inn in Rock Springs, Wyoming – 12,000 points / night
- Rodeway Inn and Suites, Gardiner, Montana – 16,000 points / night
- Econo Lodge Miles City, Montana – 10,000 points / night
- Econo Lodge Belle Fourche, South Dakota, – 8,000 points / night
Adding that up (and remembering that our family of 8 generally needs 2 rooms a night) – we need 76,000 points for these 4 bookings. I had only transferred over 60,000 points, so I didn’t have enough to book all of them (originally one of those 4 bookings was going to be at an IHG hotel).
But… for a strange reason, Choice Hotels does not debit the points from your account when you make a reservation. This is different than every other hotel chain I’ve booked awards at – everywhere else, when you make a reservation, your account is debited the points, and should you cancel, the points are returned. Here, I seemingly could book 1,000,000 stays as long as I had enough points for one of them. I assume that if I have a points stay booked and not enough points in my account on the day of the stay that I’d just have to pay the cash rate, but I’m just guessing.
Should I just pay cash?
I know many people argue that low end hotel stays are perfect times to save points and pay cash. I disagree with that for a few reasons. First of all, I am points rich and (relatively) cash poor. I am ALWAYS going to pay with miles and points because the cost of generating these points is so low.
Secondly, the Chase -> Amtrak -> Choice transfer tree is SO lucrative, it makes everything work out. Take the “worst” redemption of the 4 – the Quality Inn, which costs 12,000 points for a room that is retailing at $80 / night (plus tax). 4,000 Chase Ultimate Rewards for $80 is 2 cents a point of value, which is pretty respectable. Also remember that this is peak summer travel season at one of the most popular national parks in the country. That night at the Rodeway Inn and Suites is going for nearly $300!
For 5,333 Chase Ultimate Rewards, that’s nearly 6 cents a value, topping what I scored at the Hyatt House San Juan Puerto Rico.
Wrapping it up
So at this point it seems like a pretty good deal. I am a little nervous that because it didn’t take the points out when I booked the reservation, when I get there they will have given away my rooms (similar to my experience at my worst hotel stay ever). I assume that my points will be debited when I actually check in and stay.
Personal Finance Digest over at Saverocity wrote about the flip side of this story – a guy who realized that apparently the Choice Hotels booking system didn’t erase his rewards when he cancelled a paid booking stay, so he racked up nearly $50,000 which he redeemed in, for some reason, Applebee’s gift cards?!?
Hopefully it will all work out – nothing like a super stressful vacation when we have nowhere to stay!
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Just found a great rate for using Choice points at 8k +$30 per night in Chelsea NYC instead of the hotel rate of $389/night. Score for me!
That’s what I’m talkin about!!! Nice find!
Unlike your experience whenever I book Choice rooms on points it DOES immediately deduct points. I know this is the case (at least for me) because I just made a booking a few days ago and when I cancelled my points were NOT returned as usual. I had to call and get a manual return of points.
Maybe you’re running into a bug on their new web site, I have hit a few (like my cancellation glitch).
The good side of the manual correction was that the 25,000 points were no longer a 2015 expiration like they would have stayed had things worked right, so it was worth it.
Interesting – I did notice that it was on the new website so maybe you’re right!
Yikes, based on this article I transferred 20,000 UR points to Amtrak. I then went to Amtrak and the points had immediately arrived, BUT…apparently you have to have acheived at least “Select” tier status at Amtrak before you can redeem the points for hotels. Ugh. I don’t have ANY status except that I am enrolled in Amtrak rewards. Now, I have 20,000 trapped points at Amtrak. Damn! I wish this fact would have been mentioned in the article.
Well in my defense, I think that I *did* mention that
There are some ways around that, which I did leave intentionally vague, but if you have questions, feel free to drop me an email at dan at pointswithacrew dot com
I too am curious about this. (getting the Amtrak status) Would be great if Amtrak gets around to reissuing a credit card too…..
By the way, we did Yellowstone last summer, flew to SLC then drove up from there, and had to do the perimeter hotel strategy….. mainly to get to IHG properties…. Way too much driving. and you are soooo right…. the glitzy major brand hotel chains that miles blogger usually promote are few and far between in and around the major national parks like Yellowstone, Grand Canyon & Yosemite. Choice, Best Western, & Wyndham far, far more available…. and established. Live and learn.
Look forward to hearing more about your trip — how you’ll be getting to Yellowstone and traveling within…. Enjoy. Twin Tetons is a must too.